Comments on: Look, I found an idiot! http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/ Night is darkest just before the dawn... Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:00:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Brenda http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-48012 Brenda Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:45:40 +0000 http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-48012 /me gets some popcorn. /me gets some popcorn.

]]> By: Joseph Crawford http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47995 Joseph Crawford Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:24:19 +0000 http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47995 I see the reasoning and I never said it was wrong. I saw the site and it has tripped me off on more in society than your site. I see the reasoning and I never said it was wrong. I saw the site and it has tripped me off on more in society than your site.

]]> By: Brenda http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47992 Brenda Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:15:27 +0000 http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47992 yup, Davey is kewl. Poker and knitting tonight, at that secret location.. see ya there. yup, Davey is kewl. Poker and knitting tonight, at that secret location.. see ya there.

]]> By: Tetraboy http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47991 Tetraboy Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:13:45 +0000 http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47991 The reason PHP Women exists is the same reason YoungCoders, NYPHP, and AtlantaPHP exist. They are all groups formed to bring together people with something in common. Whether it's your gender, how old your are, or where you live, people just like to interact with other people who share a common connection. The reason PHP Women exists is the same reason YoungCoders, NYPHP, and AtlantaPHP exist. They are all groups formed to bring together people with something in common. Whether it’s your gender, how old your are, or where you live, people just like to interact with other people who share a common connection.

]]> By: Davey Shafik http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47988 Davey Shafik Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:01:16 +0000 http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47988 Carla++ - Davey P.S. You wanna hang out with me though, right? I wasn't included in your little rant... right... right?! Carla++

- Davey

P.S.
You wanna hang out with me though, right? I wasn’t included in your little rant… right… right?!

]]> By: Carla Schroder http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47986 Carla Schroder Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:43:09 +0000 http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47986 It's amazing how a simple, tiny word like "women" can cause so much foaming and upset. So what if we want our own little clubhouses? We're entitled. I'd be tempted to exclude all men just for the fun of watching them get heart attacks and strokes about it. With women in FOSS making up maybe 2%, why on earth should anyone care if we want our own groups to hang out in? What does that have to do with anyone else? If you're feeling all rejected, maybe you need to look in the mirror and figure out why we don't want to hang out with you. It’s amazing how a simple, tiny word like “women” can cause so much foaming and upset. So what if we want our own little clubhouses? We’re entitled. I’d be tempted to exclude all men just for the fun of watching them get heart attacks and strokes about it.

With women in FOSS making up maybe 2%, why on earth should anyone care if we want our own groups to hang out in? What does that have to do with anyone else? If you’re feeling all rejected, maybe you need to look in the mirror and figure out why we don’t want to hang out with you.

]]> By: auroraeosrose http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47984 auroraeosrose Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:25:19 +0000 http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47984 Very defensive. Let's start with this - why not phpusers.org? Because women are different then men. No matter how many ways you slice it, we are different biologically, socialized differently, and generally have different ways of thinking. Is one better than the other? No - but it is a difference that is not always addressed in "user groups". There are php community sites and our members mostly belong to another site "in addition" - the point of phpwomen, the reason for it's existence, is to fill the gap between what many women expect in a social group, and the environment male oriented social groups provide. Do you know of any php site that also discusses child care issues and knitting? Now I'm sure there are guys that do have to deal with "I have to put my kids in daycare to work" or "I have to put my career on hold or work from home" but they are far less common then women. And I'm sure there are guys who are into knitting as a hobby. However, haven't seen many in the php or even geek community in general, have you? Have you seen a group that helps support the "incidents" that often occur when that female enters the chatroom. Even xkcd knows what I'm talking about. You can say "oh they don't exist" and I wish that was true, but the bottom line is that for every 30 or 40 great, normal, civilized males in the computer community there is the jackass. I have phpwomen irc logs to prove it. That is the purpose of the group. Because without strong support, people (mainly women) will just walk away from the industry when they don't get the "he's the one idiot, they're not all like that" talk. If you really think the number of women in computing is a natural phenomena and not primarily a product of environment, exposure, and socialization - then my idiot comment stands. Very defensive.

Let’s start with this - why not phpusers.org? Because women are different then men. No matter how many ways you slice it, we are different biologically, socialized differently, and generally have different ways of thinking. Is one better than the other? No - but it is a difference that is not always addressed in “user groups”. There are php community sites and our members mostly belong to another site “in addition” - the point of phpwomen, the reason for it’s existence, is to fill the gap between what many women expect in a social group, and the environment male oriented social groups provide.

Do you know of any php site that also discusses child care issues and knitting? Now I’m sure there are guys that do have to deal with “I have to put my kids in daycare to work” or “I have to put my career on hold or work from home” but they are far less common then women. And I’m sure there are guys who are into knitting as a hobby. However, haven’t seen many in the php or even geek community in general, have you?

Have you seen a group that helps support the “incidents” that often occur when that female enters the chatroom. Even xkcd knows what I’m talking about. You can say “oh they don’t exist” and I wish that was true, but the bottom line is that for every 30 or 40 great, normal, civilized males in the computer community there is the jackass. I have phpwomen irc logs to prove it. That is the purpose of the group. Because without strong support, people (mainly women) will just walk away from the industry when they don’t get the “he’s the one idiot, they’re not all like that” talk. If you really think the number of women in computing is a natural phenomena and not primarily a product of environment, exposure, and socialization - then my idiot comment stands.

]]> By: Joseph Crawford http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47981 Joseph Crawford Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:06:35 +0000 http://elizabethmariesmith.com/2007/11/look-i-found-an-idiot/#comment-47981 Woah now i'm an idiot ;) Maybe you need to read my comments in response to yours. I did read your site, i saw that yes guys are allowed, my question was why phpwomen.org why not phpusers.org why must people create separate communities was my point. not once did i say your site should cease to exist. wow a bit defensive eh. Woah now i’m an idiot ;)
Maybe you need to read my comments in response to yours. I did read your site, i saw that yes guys are allowed, my question was why phpwomen.org why not phpusers.org

why must people create separate communities was my point. not once did i say your site should cease to exist.

wow a bit defensive eh.

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